tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post8295448661791184317..comments2024-03-23T08:00:26.020+00:00Comments on THE MONARCHIST: Oh, how far thou art fallenUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-39153181071390094772009-09-02T20:10:29.946+01:002009-09-02T20:10:29.946+01:00The Big Oil - sounds like a description of Tony Bl...The Big Oil - sounds like a description of Tony Blair.Neil Weltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136012163614236311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-10088739569793731212009-09-02T14:11:10.557+01:002009-09-02T14:11:10.557+01:00Indeed, everyone knows that Bush and Cheney are jo...Indeed, everyone knows that Bush and Cheney are joined at the hip with Big Oil. :-)Premodern Blokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341688338690161075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-2799144082247836712009-09-01T21:15:29.682+01:002009-09-01T21:15:29.682+01:00See Jeff, I am not that crazy.
Wonder if the Yank...See Jeff, I am not that crazy.<br /><br />Wonder if the Yanks will get a cut - in secret.<br /><br />Stranger things have happened.Neil Weltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136012163614236311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-34864891733677398302009-08-31T16:16:37.426+01:002009-08-31T16:16:37.426+01:00Well, well...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...Well, well...<br /><br />http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6814939.ecePremodern Blokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341688338690161075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-21862367879173343022009-08-26T19:32:08.928+01:002009-08-26T19:32:08.928+01:00Hmm..... This is all getting odd.Hmm..... This is all getting odd.Sir Walter Scotthttp://themonarchist.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-4547696651269621052009-08-26T18:55:19.991+01:002009-08-26T18:55:19.991+01:00Me, baiting? What a thing to think. :-)
Anyway, I...Me, baiting? What a thing to think. :-)<br /><br />Anyway, I'm genuinely interested in your ideas and this ain't a joke. I have a lot of respect for you Jeff. I respect the fact you speak your mind. I won't always agree with you, nor will I always agree with the way that you say what you say. However, if you lived in Britain, I'd fight and die for your right to say all those things.<br /><br />How can I put this. I admire the way you bear your chest rather than just flash your man boobs.Neil Weltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136012163614236311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-13788744681488932262009-08-26T17:38:33.420+01:002009-08-26T17:38:33.420+01:00"...serious OR simply baiting....""...serious OR simply baiting...."Premodern Blokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341688338690161075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-7020460358062977882009-08-26T17:37:47.401+01:002009-08-26T17:37:47.401+01:00There is more, but having recently been led down t...There is more, but having recently been led down the garden path, I have difficulty in knowing when your are serious simply baiting a hook. :-)Premodern Blokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341688338690161075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-26340900087791324992009-08-26T17:30:30.099+01:002009-08-26T17:30:30.099+01:00I would support these laws or legal guidelines. I ...I would support these laws or legal guidelines. I cannot believe that is it. Are you sure you don't want to go any further? You could really protect us from the Sikhs, Muslims and gays who threaten the social order. Imagine - you could make counselors, teachers and the administrators (the whole State apparatus) do anything that you wanted. Any other ideas? What else would you suggest for a Counter Revolution? Hmmm. Together we could all create 'The Monarchist Manifesto'.Neil Weltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136012163614236311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-46857854221462294282009-08-26T16:45:00.186+01:002009-08-26T16:45:00.186+01:00I would support Law which allowed a private Christ...I would support Law which allowed a private Christian counseling service to refuse to hire a practicing homosexual (or unmarried co-habitating heterosexual) as a counselor . I would support Law which allowed a private Christian school to not hire a Sikh as a teacher or administrator.Premodern Blokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341688338690161075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-15782879303641876262009-08-26T15:45:49.672+01:002009-08-26T15:45:49.672+01:00"By economic status and hierarchical distinct..."By economic status and hierarchical distinctions, I was referring to the economic and social hierarchies that are normally established as part of the social order in a free society. This type of social order is something that a Monarchist embraces by definition and also something that the egalitarians constantly attempt to flatten and eliminate by governmental fiat."<br /><br />Not necessarily.<br /><br />In Law we would need to know the context in which you were seeking to prevent people from having economic or hierarchical status. For the Law concerning Monarchy is distinct and clear. As your idea means a lot to you, it would need to be defined in Statute. If it is not in Law, the uneducated masses might not follow or obey your law. In what context (in other words social situation) would you prevent a Sikh or gays from obtaining economic and/or hierarchical status?Neil Weltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136012163614236311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-4594685850554645272009-08-26T15:04:40.709+01:002009-08-26T15:04:40.709+01:00Neil,
By economic status and hierarchical distinc...Neil,<br /><br />By economic status and hierarchical distinctions, I was referring to the economic and social hierarchies that are normally established as part of the social order in a free society. This type of social order is something that a Monarchist embraces by definition and also something that the egalitarians constantly attempt to flatten and eliminate by governmental fiat.<br /><br />I was not referring to prejudicial discrimination. Hence, a Buddhist, Muslim, Christian, man, and woman would receive the same pay for the same job, all other factors being similar. This type of equality flows naturally from equal justice before the law.Premodern Blokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341688338690161075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-90345978934928120682009-08-25T22:04:29.772+01:002009-08-25T22:04:29.772+01:00Quite right, and equality before the law goes both...Quite right, and equality before the law goes both ways - at times I feel that the 'regular' people (Caucasian Christians, in the broad terms, its not so regular any longer though the opposition is loath to give up the 'minority' card which they clench tightly to their chests) are discriminated against more than the other races and creeds.<br />For example, the original article, the other groups get let off easier in terms of the law, yet we are the one's constantly being titled racist! I will not say this is altogether common, but it is more common than I am comfortable with.<br />It is understandably frustrating, and it is a mockery of any one of our countries fine institutions..<br /><br />They are equally precious in the eyes of God, equally in need of a Saviour and so on and so forth. But their systems in regards to justice, most obviously Islam but many others too, are not equal to ours and any system based faithfully on Islam cannot ever achieve that, nor any other religion, in my opinion! So while our systems have disintegrated, to an extent as the article shows, it can be, and I hope will be revived, as nothing else can measure up to it on this earth, human justice at any rate, and as it is very much our nation[s], I get easily exasperated at the people who pretend that other systems of justice are in any way equivalent.<br />Not that anyone here is saying that, but that is what I mean by 'not equal.'<br /><br />And as Justice is one of the most important aspects of government, having a good justice system is extraordinarily important. <br />Again, at least Canada's need's a good overhaul, not so much to add anything new but to remove a lot of stuff that has been added in the last decades, but it is much more likely that we will re-find justice and good government than any other culture on the face of the earth.Matthew Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-8833289515836742012009-08-25T21:55:29.384+01:002009-08-25T21:55:29.384+01:00Agree with you on justice.
Not sure what you mean...Agree with you on justice.<br /><br />Not sure what you mean by "economic status" and "hierarchical distinctions". Could you clarify? You see, flowing from equality (in terms of "justice before the law") would come these numerous legal judgements on "economic status" and "hierarchical distinctions". These are written in Law. Law enacted in Parliament.<br /><br />My own views on the economic immigration laws are now clear. I sense we agree on this aspect of "economic status". Beyond that I'm not sure.Neil Weltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136012163614236311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-46224929549942062712009-08-25T20:59:58.921+01:002009-08-25T20:59:58.921+01:00Equality in terms of justice before the law - yes....Equality in terms of justice before the law - yes. <br /><br />Equality in terms of economic status or hierarchical distinctions - no.Premodern Blokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341688338690161075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-42832882579855827162009-08-25T20:40:39.849+01:002009-08-25T20:40:39.849+01:00Quite, that is my own position - up to a point.
F...Quite, that is my own position - up to a point.<br /><br />For it depends on how you define "we should not treat them as equal". It has different meanings to different people. You'd need to define that.<br /><br />If, for example, being "not treated as an equal" means being gassed, shot or being discriminated against in wider "secular" society, forget it.Neil Weltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136012163614236311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-88614993087859873202009-08-25T20:08:39.931+01:002009-08-25T20:08:39.931+01:00"The problem is that "tolerance" do..."The problem is that "tolerance" does not mean what it once did. Now, it means "acceptance" or "viewing as equally valid"."<br /><br />Sadly, that is very true.. It, like the word 'racism' and many other descriptive words that have been twisted to meet modern demands. I wish instead of calling it 'tolerance', which is a deception, the world in general would call it what it is, 'equally worth whatever your current beliefs are.' (Even if it isn't, but at least it would be an honest statement on their part.)<br />I wish our opponents would play fair instead of trying to dress it up as much less than it really is, as to be frank, we should be tolerant, in the old description, we should not have to treat them as at all equal.Matthew Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-64233888031776488992009-08-25T16:00:29.721+01:002009-08-25T16:00:29.721+01:00Who said anything about "acceptance" or ...Who said anything about "acceptance" or "viewing as equally valid"? Only you, I never have. I adhere to the original meaning of "tolerance". It is why I oppose economic immigration into Britain (a disaster socially and culturally). This is a Christian country. I'd fight and die to keep it that way. People like Rowan are well-meaning, particularly with the Islam, but they are mistaken. However, you'll never convince him or them. Believe me. I tried it.<br /><br />Trouble is, in reference to this blog, is we have referendums to win on The Monarchy. These referendums could be won by a few votes. Either way. We will not do that by insulting sections of the electorate. Whether we like it or not Muslims, gays, transsexuals, single parents and former jailbirds all have the vote. Sections of the electorate who, in the main, mean and do no real harm to our society - outside of their own (kept small) groups. This is why I'm "tolerant".<br /><br />Anyway, I've got man boobs, will they do? :-)Neil Weltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136012163614236311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-89860438746578663562009-08-25T14:41:29.757+01:002009-08-25T14:41:29.757+01:00The problem is that "tolerance" does not...The problem is that "tolerance" does not mean what it once did. Now, it means "acceptance" or "viewing as equally valid". You will not be allowed to merely tolerate Islam or homosexuality in the original sense of the word.<br /><br />I would agree with you that in personal interactions, cultural transformation is brought about by through compassionate conversation and living the Gospel.<br /><br />In the public sphere, we need more men with chests, who believe in Antithesis and in speaking prophetically when needed.Premodern Blokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341688338690161075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-16357978929656003242009-08-25T13:40:15.893+01:002009-08-25T13:40:15.893+01:00"Hang" on, I had better point out that I..."Hang" on, I had better point out that I don't actually want to see MSPs, SNPs or some Scottish and Welsh MPs hanged. I was, as Sir Walter says, only saying all that for "rhetorical effect". I must be very careful now because New Labour are still in power and I might be arrested under the new anti-terror legislation for speaking my mind.<br /><br />Oh, by the way, don't confuse my tolerance for other religions, including Islam, for anything else. You tolerate something without actually believing in it yourself. I am a Christian not some Sikh or Muslim who wants to create a Super State in Britain. I am not in the business of condemning people. I just like to convince them over time. I think people just switch off if you insult them and don't offer "substance". Same is to be said for my own views on homosexuality.<br /><br />I had terrible disagreements with Dr. Rowan Williams. He doesn't even believe in Monarchy. However, I will leave all that for another post.Neil Weltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136012163614236311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-15016594512257972482009-08-24T23:13:05.576+01:002009-08-24T23:13:05.576+01:00Welcome back, Dundonald, it's been a very long...Welcome back, Dundonald, it's been a very long time.Beaverbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06957034620891207177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-67707770280801076622009-08-24T22:52:32.718+01:002009-08-24T22:52:32.718+01:00Touché, Mr. Welton. :-)Touché, Mr. Welton. :-)Premodern Blokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341688338690161075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-36291935752115999942009-08-24T22:10:44.217+01:002009-08-24T22:10:44.217+01:00If injustice occurred, it was made worse by the de...If injustice occurred, it was made worse by the deeper subsequent contempt for the system expressed in the release.<br /><br />The arms of England are on this thread, because like Neil I commend something along the lines of: 'Hanging the SNP, burning down the Parliament and then shooting the rioters.' Perhaps only for rhetorical effect, though.<br /><br />Jeff, it seems to me, has been quite informed and wise. It is very true and often overlooked that behind the scenes of strict Islamic states, as in some of the severe Roman Catholic countries of the past (e.g. Mexico), private conduct is horribly compromised with all manner of license and barbarism. It was ever thus, and ever thus will be, where the true gospel of God has not its rightful seat in the hearts of men.Sir Walter Scotthttp://themonarchist.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-44583578165590339882009-08-24T21:55:34.221+01:002009-08-24T21:55:34.221+01:00While my opinion of the SNP and the pertinent Mini...While my opinion of the SNP and the pertinent Minister concerned in this affair is not flattering, I feel I must interject after the rather impertinent remarks about Scotland and the Scots on many blogs concerning this topic. <br /><br />While I do not condone the compassionate release aspect of Scots justice, I am nonetheless not too displeased with this decision. There is an underlying suspicion in Scotland, including among some of the victims' families, that Libya had little or nothing to do with this atrocity. Couple this with the fact that Al Megrahi never received Scottish justice from the moment he was arrested, as he was arraigned and convicted by a pseudo Court of the Realm which met in secret, without a jury, in a hastily constructed compound in the Netherlands. The conviction ultimately rested on the sketchy testimony of a clothes retailer in Malta, for whom the eventual conviction proved rather profitable, as the $2 million reward he received for his testimony allowed him to resettle in Australia. Much of the trial evidence remains secret to this day. <br /><br />Many Scots, including myself, feel that this charade of a trial has done more to undermine the standing of Scottish Justice than the decision to release him. Had the trial taken place in a real Scottish Court, many here feel that he would have returned to Libya many years ago. While none of this condones the circumstances of his release, and we are certainly irked by the waving of Saltires in Tripoli, the context of this affair goes some way towards explaining why we have not become as exercised about this as some of the American authorities, who incidentally, have still not placed the IRA on their list of proscribed terrorist organisations.<br /><br />Incidentally, is there a reason why the Arms of England are shown on this thread? This has confused me slightly.Dundonaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8162816964941896969.post-70675748747696056462009-08-24T21:09:30.994+01:002009-08-24T21:09:30.994+01:00Blast, I have been rumbled by Sir Walter. Why can&...Blast, I have been rumbled by Sir Walter. Why can't you keep out of it? I have Jeff in a fit.<br /><br />I like to get you all going by pushing your buttons. Have you noticed? It works a treat.<br /><br />Hello Master Walter. You speak a lot of sense but then you are a true and proper English gentleman, unlike me. Something I can never fully be. Do you know I am jealous and I long to be English? It's crazy I know but that's how I feel. A Welshman who wants to be English. I think I might have a complex. A nationalist once said I had a complex. He said until the day I die, I could never be what I truly wanted to be - English. To resolve the complex, he added, I should accept that I am Welsh and that I should become a nationalist. He said switch sides and (paraphrasing) go and work for The Dark Side - as in Star Wars. I buzzed him with my lightsabre and said no way! What have you English done to me? I am Welsh but feel English. Anyway, keep posting, posts are class, rhagorol (wonderful).Neil Weltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136012163614236311noreply@blogger.com