ALMIGHTY God, who hast in all ages shewed thy power and mercy in the miraculous and gracious deliverance of thy Church, and in the protection of righteous and religious Kings and States, professing thy holy and eternal truth, from the wicked conspiracies and malicious practices of all the enemies thereof; We yield thee our unfeigned thanks and praise for the wonderful and mighty deliverance of our gracious Sovereign King James the First, the Queen, the Prince, and all the Royal Branches, with the Nobility, Clergy and Commons of England, then assembled in Parliament, by Popish treachery appointed as sheep to the slaughter, in a most barbarous and savage manner, beyond the examples of former ages. From this unnatural conspiracy, not our merit, but thy mercy; not our foresight, but thy providence, delivered us: And therefore not unto us, O Lord, not unto us, but unto thy Name be ascribed all honour and glory, in all Churches of the Saints, from generation to generation, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
—A Form of Prayer with Thanksgiving; to be used yearly upon the Fifth Day of November for the happy Deliverance of King James the First, and the Three Estates of England, from the most traiterous and bloody-intended Massacre by Gunpowder
Oh for crying out loud Scott. What is this drivel about Popish treachery? Have you no shame? This post is an insult to the whole site and to Catholics like me. Grow up and start treating your fellow man with a bit of respect. I can't imagine any Catholic posting such a nasty screed about Protestants. It does your faith no credit.
ReplyDeleteIt is merely a very old quote, not an indication of anti-Papist sentiment felt by the author. We still burn Guido Fawkes in effigy every Nov 5th - it does not follow ipso facto that we are anti-Catholic.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, Henley. I had not realised modern Catholics actually supported Fawkes' attempt at mass murder, and that therefore any remembrance of that plot's thwarting could be considered a slight on them.
ReplyDeleteIf we really have got to the point where it is considered bigotry to say that I am glad someone's co-religionist failed to kill dozens of innocent people, we are lost. You ought to think carefully about who and what it is you are identifying yourself with, when you come out in support of a would-be bin Laden. You are playing with the rulebook of modern victim culture, and I will have none of it.
Don't you think it would have been a sin to do what he hoped? Don't you think, therefore, that it was good that it was prevented? Was it therefore not prevented by God? And ought we therefore not give thanks?
Your response reveals you for the disingenuous bigot I suspected you were. My objection was clearly to the language of "popish treachery". There's plenty of 17th Century Catholic vituperation about Protestant heresy and bloodthirstiness, but it would be contemptible to offend modern Protestants by parading it on a blog about monarchism.
ReplyDeleteMay God protect us from the hatred of Guy Fawkes' age and from those who would revive it in our own.
Well, your first post revealed you as an intemperate, irrational busybody, seeing malice where none lay, or ever could lay - in a traditional 5th November post about God delivering men from violent death 400 years ago. So that rather prevents your subsequent judgements holding much water, I'm afraid. If I am abused, I will respond; the response can hardly therefore be the vindication of the abuse.
ReplyDeleteYou are the only one who has sought to revive old hatreds. Your clumsy attempt to see malice where there was plainly none, actually insulted every other Roman Catholic living - none of whom I know would ever identify with Fawkes.
You tried to play the religious hatred card and failed. This is a wholly forgivable folly as half the world is always trying to play *some* sort of victimisation card to quash divers facts, opinions and traditions they don't like. Let us therefore speak no more of this blip and move on.
"none of whom I know would ever identify with Fawkes"
ReplyDeleteAh, no time for Beal Feirste, then?
I have no qualms about saying the papist is not my equal.