I've covered the value of Newspoll here before - for the benefit of non-psephologists, Newspoll is regarded by Australia's political class the gold standard for polling, similar to ICM in the UK. It has also been around for a long time so it is able to give us an accurate long-term view.
The poll suggests that republican support is at its lowest level in 17 years with headline figures of 41 republic, 39 monarchy, 20 undecided.
To those of us that read The Monarchist, that might sound pretty bleak. But to Australian constitutionalists fighting the good fight, these are the best non-referendum figures we've had in nearly twenty years. How?
Look at these figures from past Newspolls in August 1999 (before the referendum campaign), 2002 and 2006. Remember that Newspoll is the gold standard for Australian politicos (who are largely republican).
The split in the November 1999 referendum was 55-45 to No. Yet just a few months before the referendum, the August 1999 poll suggested that 51% preferred an in-principle republic. The actual referendum result suggests that virtually all undecideds and some in-principle republicans unhappy with the republican model proposed, voted No.
If we apply that same rough "guesstimate" formula to a theoretical 2011 referendum, the No vote would probably be 60%+, and would probably kill modern republicanism as a meaningful issue in Australia, unless something prompted it to rise up again.
The other clear subset shifting their views on this question via these polls are Coalition (conservative) voters. Opposition to a republic amongst these voters is rising rapidly. The laws of Australian political science dictate that a referendum needs virtually unanimous organised political support to succeed here. Having one side of politics hardening its opposition to a republic is a sure-fire way to secure its defeat.
One final comment - many Australian republicans hope that Prince Charles' accession to the throne will be a "silver bullet" to aid the republicans and revive their support. Today's poll projects that republican support would rise were Charles to be king. But even then, the republicans would still be behind where they were in the polls in August 1999, just three months before the referendum. And we know how the referendum ended. Even if attitudes to Charles don't change after he becomes king (and I think they will - considerably) his reign won't be enough to see the end of the monarchy. William's impact is a little unclear, but his succession would see more young people and Labor voters support the monarchy. Who would have thought that the Australian Labor Party was a hotbed of Spencerphile English nativist restoration?
My conclusion about this poll? While it still suggests that slightly more Australians are prepared to voice support for an in-theory republic than the monarchy, nowhere near enough Australians care enough to make Australia a republic. Attitudes to the status quo are warming, and have done so for a decade. There's some measurable scepticism about Charles' suitability to be king but it's nowhere near enough to secure sufficient support in a referendum.
After reading this poll, I'm very confident in predicting we'll be seeing royal tours in Australia for a very long time to come.
The republican abandonment of Liberal and National voters continues:
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Did you see Charles Moore's recent piece in the Daily Telegraph on the Royal Wedding:
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I think he was having a bit of fun, provoking republicans. I detest republicans with a burning dislike.
It's curious that on the Facebook event, they wish for animals to be invited.
ReplyDeleteI guess the republicans really have gone to the dogs. No one else listens, I suppose.
LAW Wells, the facebook event has changed. It was originally billed as a joint ARM-ALP event, which the thread on this FB page implies if you read the posts. Look for (republican Young Liberal) Trisha Jha's post.
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Serious players in the ALP Right have abandoned the republic as a going concern. It's why Rudd, Gillard, Smith et al have dismissed any move to a republic in the forseeable future. There's no votes in it for them.
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This is excellent news! The number of republicans still sounds rather high but it is good to know that a republic down under is not going to emerge in the foreseeable future.
ReplyDeleteThe monarchy is best dealt with with by administering lead poisoning at point blank range!
ReplyDeleteKate, asks the the queen for her views on what will make her and will's marriage the best marriage within the royal family.
ReplyDeletethe queen looks up at kate whilst continuing to pat the Corgies and says:
WEAR YOUR SEATBELT AT ALL TIMES
AND DONT PISS ME OFF
The monarchy is best dealt with with by administering lead poisoning at point blank range!
ReplyDeleteIt's good that republican revolutions have settled for what they're good at; in the words of a James Bogle at an Oxford Union debate recently:
[R]epublics are better than monarchies because republican revolutions provide enormous employment for undertakers.
The important thing about Newspoll is that it has been asking this same question since 1994, or perhaps earlier, and the trend since 1999 has been down for republicanism. I've no doubt it will level out at some point, but it seem inevitable that in the next few years support for the Monarchy will exceed support for republicanism.
ReplyDeleteThe beauty of it is the republicans are so out of touch with the genuine pleasure increasing numbers of Australians are deriving from the Monarchy that they don't realise their incompetent, meanspirited attempts to spoil it will only backfire.
I encourage Australia to become fully independent, meaning the sovereign authority of the Australian state should come from a mandate from the Australian people.
ReplyDeleteIt already does, the government is elected by the people, the government appoints the Governor General, Her Majesty keeps the Governor General in-line. The perfect system.
ReplyDeleteWe have been fully independent since 1901, with the onl legislative ties being maintained by the individual states as a balance against the Federal government. Much to the embaressment of the British funnily enough.
Support for the republican cause in most of Her Majesty's Dominions is on the wane. Republicans are just too obsessed with their cause to accept it. While it's true that Charles isn't a very good candidate for King - he threw that away with his failure to consider his future when he was living like a playboy - the end of the monarchy is far from being upon us. Hopefully, he'll do the right thing and abdicate, leaving his son to become King; William seems to take his position a damn sight more seriously than his father did at his age. I think he'll make a good king, and I'll gladly give him my allegiance.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, republican smear campaigns neglect to mention that of the world's presidents, there has been MANY an immoral scoundrel. From Marilyn Monroe singing Happy Birthday to JFK to Bill Clinton's relations with interns, republican history is just as full (if not more so) of perfectly outrageous, philandering misbehaviour as any monarchy. There have also been thieves, embezzlers and profiteers; three governors of Illinois in the past fifteen years have been convicted of fraud, racketeering and extortion (Rod Blagojevich, George Ryan and Daniel Walker) in unrelated incidents. Republicans will never admit it, but there have been more bad-boy presidents and governors than kings and Governors-General.
Music to my ears! As a young Australian i'm glad to hear that once again you will be able to vote Liberal or Labour and get a monarchist cabinet whatever the result. (As a side note you might want to add an ''S'' to Her Majesty's little profile thing, i'm quite sure she was never a prince!)
ReplyDeleteAs a side note you might want to add an ''S'' to Her Majesty's little profile thing, i'm quite sure she was never a prince!
ReplyDeleteSir, that would be two of them in the case. However, I am quite sure the editor knew what he was doing when he set it up.
The English language is in many respects a rich language. The vocubalary is immense, but here the English language shares a weakness with French and Spanish -- to name a few.
German, Dutch, and the Scandinavian languages -- again, to name a few -- have a distinction between prince and "Fürst". The latter is a prince in the meaning it has in the title of Machiavelli's well-known work.
"Fürst" is the head of a principality, and it can be translated into "Sovereign Prince" or "Reigning Prince", but there are also non-sovereign, non-reigning, titular "Fürsts," such as the Prince of Wales (Scandinavian media are in general clueless when they translate the title.).
Also, "Fürst" can be used as a generic term for monarchs with other titles, such as "King" or "Emperor." I believe it is in this context the Queen as "Prince" must be seen. It would not make sense in this context to use "Princess."
The editor, who is in charge of the sidebars, the top and bottom of the blog, and the layout, may feel free to correct me.
Well I have to say thank you for enlightening me on that subject, I had no idea our glorious English language had such depth! I was well aware that French, Dutch, German and a bit of Spanish came into the picture, but had no idea about the precise origins of words.
ReplyDeleteYou're most welcome, sir.
ReplyDeleteAn interesting discussion related to these terms can be found here -- over at Norwegian monarchy scholar Trond Norén Isaksen's weblog.
*slight air of panic*
ReplyDeleteI admit I am something of a pleb with a penchant for gentlemen, chivalry and all things monarchy so to have found a blog which is informative and wonderfully, deliciously written and then to find it lying a little dormant fills me with a little fear. Especially since a certain royal wedding has had such a positive effect and spoiled Republic's fun in the UK.
Are you calling it a day here :(
A little dormant, sir? A small down period with reduced activity? Apparently, yes!
ReplyDeleteCalling it a day? Not if I can help it.